{"id":454,"date":"2007-06-27T08:10:13","date_gmt":"2007-06-27T08:10:13","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/scientopia.org\/blogs\/goodmath\/2007\/06\/27\/sewells-not-exactly-a-law\/"},"modified":"2007-06-27T08:10:13","modified_gmt":"2007-06-27T08:10:13","slug":"sewells-not-exactly-a-law","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.goodmath.org\/blog\/2007\/06\/27\/sewells-not-exactly-a-law\/","title":{"rendered":"Sewell&#039;s (not exactly a-) Law"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>In light of [my recent demolition of a purported improvement on the second law of thermodynamics][2l], an alert reader sent me [a link to this really boneheaded piece of work at Uncommon Descent by Granville Sewell][sewell].<br \/>\n[sewell]: http:\/\/www.uncommondescent.com\/intelligent-design\/introducing-sewells-law\/<br \/>\n[2l]: http:\/\/scienceblogs.com\/goodmath\/2007\/06\/dembskis_buddy_part_2_murphys.php<br \/>\nSewell is, yet again, trying to find some way of formulating IDist anti-evolution garbage in terms of the second law of evolution. Sewell&#8217;s been doing this for ages, and it&#8217;s been a<br \/>\nwretched failure. Naturally, according to Sewell that has *nothing* to do with the fact that his argument is a pile of rubbish &#8211; it&#8217;s all because people have been distracted by<br \/>\narguments that came about because people don&#8217;t understand the second law of thermodynamics. It&#8217;s their confusion of 2LOT, *not* any flaw in Sewell&#8217;s argument.<br \/>\nSo, he&#8217;s proposing a new law which he claims subsumes the 2LOT, and which he modestly names after himself:<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><br \/>\n&gt;However, after making this argument for several years, with very limited success, I have<br \/>\n&gt;come to realize that the biggest  disadvantage of my formulation is: it is based on a<br \/>\n&gt;widely recognized law of science, one that is very widely misunderstood. Every time I<br \/>\n&gt;write about the second law, the comments go off on one of several tangents that sometimes<br \/>\n&gt;have something vaguely to do with the second law, but have in common only that they divert<br \/>\n&gt;attention away from the question of probability.<br \/>\n&gt;<br \/>\n&gt;So I have decided to switch tactics, I am introducing Sewell&#8217;s law: &#8220;Natural forces do not<br \/>\n&gt;do macroscopically describable things which are extremely improbable from the microscopic<br \/>\n&gt;point of view.&#8221; I still insist that this is indeed the underlying principle behind all<br \/>\n&gt;applications of the second law, the only thing that all applications have in common, in<br \/>\n&gt;fact.<br \/>\nOnly one problem&#8230; It&#8217;s not true. *Lot&#8217;s* of things that are highly improbable from<br \/>\nthe microscopic point of view happen at the macroscopic point of view. A rainstorm &#8211; the<br \/>\nformation of water droplets from water vapor at a particular time in a particular place &#8211; is incredibly unlikely from a microscopic point of view, but it&#8217;s inevitable from a macroscopic point of view.  *And*&#8230;<br \/>\nOk, so there&#8217;s more than one problem.  And the second one is in its way even worse than the first.<br \/>\nSewell&#8217;s &#8220;law&#8221;  isn&#8217;t just wrong; even if it were true, it couldn&#8217;t be a law: it&#8217;s not just not true,  it&#8217;s *not* a scientific statement of *any* *kind*.<br \/>\nAs I pointed out in the other &#8220;second law replacement&#8221; post, the second law is *not*<br \/>\na statement that things tend towards randomness, or that things tend toward disorder, or anything like that. Those are vague, human language explanations that try to provide some<br \/>\nintuitive handle on the meaning of the law. But the law itself is a *mathematical* statement.<br \/>\nSomeone like Sewell might ask, &#8220;What&#8217;s the difference?&#8221;. I&#8217;ll tell you the difference: using the real second law, I can make *precise* statements to describe real phenomena. (A friend of mine who&#8217;s a physicist insists that he wants the second law on his headstone when he does, only instead of saying &#8220;&ge;&#8221;, he wants it to say &#8220;&gt;&#8221;. That is a precise statement; a *silly* precise statement, but a precise statement nonetheless.)<br \/>\nUsing the second law, I can look at a description of a thermodynamic system, and say &#8220;That can&#8217;t happen.&#8221; I can do that with great precision: because it&#8217;s a formal mathematical system, I can use it as part of a formal modeling process, and describe what it says, and<br \/>\nbased on that whether or not a given phenomenon is possible, and even model what the probabilities of some unlikely but possible events are.<br \/>\n&#8220;Sewell&#8217;s Law&#8221; doesn&#8217;t do that &#8211; it *can&#8217;t* do that, because it&#8217;s not a mathematical<br \/>\nstatement, and in fact, Sewell *can&#8217;t* phrase it as a mathematical statement. It&#8217;s an<br \/>\nintrinsically vague statement &#8211; one which relies on the fuzziness of his &#8220;macroscopic&#8221; versus &#8220;microscopic&#8221;, and  &#8220;improbable&#8221;. He can&#8217;t quantify these things, because they&#8217;re<br \/>\nimprecise by design.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In light of [my recent demolition of a purported improvement on the second law of thermodynamics][2l], an alert reader sent me [a link to this really boneheaded piece of work at Uncommon Descent by Granville Sewell][sewell]. [sewell]: http:\/\/www.uncommondescent.com\/intelligent-design\/introducing-sewells-law\/ [2l]: http:\/\/scienceblogs.com\/goodmath\/2007\/06\/dembskis_buddy_part_2_murphys.php Sewell is, yet again, trying to find some way of formulating IDist anti-evolution garbage in [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":false,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[31],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-454","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-intelligent-design"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p4lzZS-7k","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_likes_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.goodmath.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/454","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.goodmath.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.goodmath.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.goodmath.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.goodmath.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=454"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"http:\/\/www.goodmath.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/454\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.goodmath.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=454"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.goodmath.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=454"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.goodmath.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=454"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}