{"id":541,"date":"2007-11-05T16:19:24","date_gmt":"2007-11-05T16:19:24","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/scientopia.org\/blogs\/goodmath\/2007\/11\/05\/revisiting-old-friends-the-finale\/"},"modified":"2007-11-05T16:19:24","modified_gmt":"2007-11-05T16:19:24","slug":"revisiting-old-friends-the-finale","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.goodmath.org\/blog\/2007\/11\/05\/revisiting-old-friends-the-finale\/","title":{"rendered":"Revisiting Old Friends, the Finale"},"content":{"rendered":"<p> Now, it&#8217;s time for the final chapter in my &#8220;visits with old friends&#8221; series, which brings us<br \/>\nback to the Good Math\/Bad Math all-time reader favorite crackpot: Mr. George Shollenberger.<\/p>\n<p> <a href=\"http:\/\/scientopia.org\/blogs\/goodmath\/2007\/04\/george-shollenberger-returns-to-prove-his-innumeracy\">Last time I mentioned George<\/a>, a number of readers commented on the fact that it&#8217;s cruel to pick on poor George, because the guy is clearly not all there: he&#8217;s suffered from a number of medical problems which can cause impaired reasoning, etc. I don&#8217;t like to be pointlessly cruel, and in general, I think it&#8217;s inappropriate to be harsh with someone who is suffering from medical problems &#8211; particularly medical problems that affect the functioning of the mind.<\/p>\n<p> But I don&#8217;t cut George any slack. None at all. Because much of what spews from his mouth isn&#8217;t the<br \/>\nresult of an impaired mind: it&#8217;s the product of an arrogant, vile, awful person. Since our last contact<br \/>\nwith George, aside from the humorous idiocy, he&#8217;s also taken it upon himself <a href=\"http:\/\/georgeshollenberger.blogspot.com\/2007\/04\/building-nation-today-with-melting-pot.html\">to explain how we&#8217;ll never<br \/>\nhave a peaceful society in America until we get rid of all of those damned foreigners<\/a>, who have<br \/>\n&#8220;unamerican mindsets&#8221;. That post was where I really started to despise George. He&#8217;s not just a senile<br \/>\nold fool &#8211; he&#8217;s a disgusting, horrible person, just another of the evil ghouls who used a horrible<br \/>\nevent, committed by a severely ill individual, as a cudgel to promote a deeply racist agenda. <\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p> There&#8217;s been some great humor coming from George, particularly in the areas of math and logic.<\/p>\n<p> George <em>claims<\/em> to be a big fan of Cantor, and likes to babble about the transfinite numbers. Unfortunately, he doesn&#8217;t really have a clue about them &#8211; and in fact, in one of his comment threads, he<br \/>\nadmitted to never actually reading any of Cantor&#8217;s work, but just having read a popularized biography of Cantor that briefly mentioned the idea of the transfinites. He continually comes up with new and ever-stranger ways of characterizing Cantor&#8217;s work. For a recent example, last month, in <a href=\"http:\/\/georgeshollenberger.blogspot.com\/2007\/10\/religious-prophets-are-todays.html\">this post<\/a>, he said this:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\nThe discovery of new truths about a monotheistic God by modern philosophers and scientists are correcting the teachings of today&#8217;s religions. One discovery is the new truth about God&#8217;s infinity. Specifically, in the 15th century, Nicholas of Cusa spoke of the new infinity as &#8216;the infinite qua infinite&#8217; beyond all finite things. In the 19th century, Friedrich Hegel called it &#8216;the &#8216;Absolute&#8217; beyond all relative things and Georg Cantor called it &#8216;the genuine infinity&#8217; beyond all bad infinities. In the 21st century, I call it &#8216;the determinate infinite&#8217; beyond all indeterminate infinities.\n<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p> Did Cantor talk about <em>bad<\/em> infinities? No. What Cantor did was define the basis of what became modern set theory, and then use it to construct two fundamentally different kinds of numbers using sets: Cardinal numbers (which measure size), and Ordinal numbers (which measure position). Then, looking at sets &#8211; like the set of natural numbers, he realized that there&#8217;s a cardinal (a <em>size<\/em>) that describes<br \/>\nthe size of the set of natural numbers. But that number can&#8217;t possibly be finite. So there is at least<br \/>\none &#8220;infinite&#8221; cardinal number. Then  moving on from there, he was able to show that there must be<br \/>\n<em>more than one<\/em> infinite cardinal; and in fact, that there can be <em>different sizes<\/em> of infinities. But there&#8217;s no value judgement in Cantor&#8217;s studies: just the discovery of this seemingly<br \/>\nparadoxical (but fascinating) idea of infinite cascades of ever-larger infinities.<\/p>\n<p> George is incapable of understanding that. But he continually insists that he understands<br \/>\nCantor, and that we evil atheistic scientists and mathematicians (even the theistic Jewish ones like me),<br \/>\nare refusing to acknowledge the work of Cantor because of its supposed theological implications. For<br \/>\nexample, <a href=\"\">here<\/a>, he explains why we refuse to solve the worlds problems by ignoring the transfinite numbers:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\nSince mathematicians cannot extend the number domain beyond the transfinite numbers and into some higher world of numbers, it seems time for them to accept the infinite qua infinite and start developing Cantor&#8217;s transfinite numbers. By developing the transfinite numbers, I expect science to uncover many hidden secrets such as new energy sources.\n<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p> Alas for George, modern math is virtually all done in terms of constructions built using the ideas of<br \/>\nCantor, and no serious math student can get through school without seeing at least a little bit of<br \/>\nCantor&#8217;s transfinites &#8211; at least enough to see the famous diagonalization argument. But aside from<br \/>\nthe laugh value of that, it&#8217;s a demonstration of how profoundly he doesn&#8217;t understand Cantor &#8211; and how much he doesn&#8217;t understand why he doesn&#8217;t understand Cantor.<\/p>\n<p> Cantor&#8217;s conception of the transfinite numbers wasn&#8217;t a religious thing. And it also was never<br \/>\nintended to be a practical description of a real thing in the world. It&#8217;s an idea: a concept based<br \/>\non understanding the <em>meanings<\/em> of numbers, and of understanding the different kinds of<br \/>\nnumbers. It&#8217;s a profound step to realize that even though the set of natural numbers is infinite,<br \/>\nit&#8217;s infinitely small compared to the set of numbers that <em>can&#8217;t<\/em> be written as fractions. That&#8217;s an astonishing fact &#8211; even a <em>useful<\/em> fact for understanding the world. But that doesn&#8217;t mean<br \/>\nthat we&#8217;re going to find a real-live infinite set with a transfinite cardinality &#8211; or that we&#8217;re<br \/>\ngoing to find an object that occupies a transfinite ordinal position in an infinite set.<\/p>\n<p> Another of George&#8217;s humorous and lengthy series of diatribes is in the area of logic. George&#8217;s<br \/>\nreasoning capabilities aren&#8217;t exactly coherent. His &#8220;proofs&#8221; are frequently nothing but series of non-sequiturs. When some commenters pointed this out, he went into a bit of a rampage, posting numerous<br \/>\narticles like <a href=\"http:\/\/georgeshollenberger.blogspot.com\/2007\/09\/worlds-logicians-have-misinterpreted-my.html\">this one<\/a> about how &#8220;sequiturs and non-sequiturs&#8221; don&#8217;t matter, and how he doesn&#8217;t ever misuse non-sequiturs:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p> Since the publishing of my book in late June 2006, logicians have been commenting on the website I use to teach complex subjects of my book. Unfortunately, they have also used my website to judge my book rather than reading it. In yesterday&#8217;s blog on a critique of positivism, I was told for the nth time that I cannot use non sequiturs. This time, I decided to challenge the charge that I misuse non sequiturs. After considerable thought, I concluded that this charge is not true. Let me explain my conclusion.\n<\/p>\n<p> In the first chapter of my book, I present the first and only proof I offer in this book. This proof of God&#8217;s existence is made with one statement on page 6. The statement says &#8212; all finite things are originated by an infinite thing. No other proofs are presented in the book. In the rest of the book, I identify and discuss the many thoughts that emerge as a result of this proof of God.<\/p>\n<p>Based on my website writings alone, logicians are concluding somehow that I use non sequiturs in my book. This conclusion is false. If they read my book, they would learn quickly that only one proof is being claimed by me. All of my other writings in the book deal with the possible consequences of this single proof.<\/p>\n<p> The error that logicians have been making on my book is due first to their non belief in God and second due to their ignorance of the difference between Scientific Languages and Talk Languages. The misuse of non sequiturs can occur only in a Scientific Language where a proof is being presented with fixed procedures. However, it is not possible to find a non sequitur in a Talk Language. They cannot be found in Talk languages because a Scientific Language and a Talk language are separated forever. These two symbolic languages cannot be unified in a world that has no end. The Talk Languages function as the world&#8217;s engine of change. It is thus futuristic. On the other hand, the Scientific Languages is not futuristic and functions only to identify the permanence of the world.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p> In the ensuing comment threads, it became astonishingly obvious that George doesn&#8217;t<br \/>\nknow what a non-sequitur is, and that he&#8217;s not the least bit interested in learning.  For those<br \/>\nwho actually have brains, a non-sequitur is a logical statement that does not follow from its<br \/>\nantecedents. For example, &#8220;Mark Chu-Carroll is Jewish, therefore Mark Chu-Carroll has green socks.&#8221; is<br \/>\na non-sequitur: it&#8217;s structured as a logical inference statement &#8220;A implies B&#8221;; but the conclusion has no connection to the statement which precedes it &#8211; &#8220;Mark Chu-Carroll has green socks&#8221; cannot be inferred from &#8220;Mark Chu-Carroll is Jewish&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p> The post quoted above also demonstrates another of George&#8217;s little foibles. In George&#8217;s world, he&#8217;s<br \/>\none of the most important thinkers in the history of the world. He sees himself, to quote one of his comments, as &#8220;a philosopher, theologian, dialectician, and scientific theorist&#8221;, and as one of the<br \/>\ngreatest of all time. So when someone criticizes him, it can&#8217;t just be that <em>one lowly person<\/em><br \/>\nis daring to criticize the great and mighty George Shollenberger. It must be that there is a massive organized effort to attack him in order to suppress his great discoveries. So it&#8217;s not &#8220;a couple of commenters&#8221; who said that he doesn&#8217;t understand non-sequiturs&#8221;, it&#8217;s &#8220;the world&#8217;s logicians&#8221;! Similarly, when I reviewed his book, it wasn&#8217;t just &#8220;some geek reviewed my book and thought it was crap&#8221;, but &#8220;the world&#8217;s mathematicians are part of an atheistic conspiracy organized by the American Museum of Natural<br \/>\nHistory to suppress my proof of God!&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p> Finally, I&#8217;ll conclude with <a href=\"http:\/\/georgeshollenberger.blogspot.com\/2007\/08\/declaration-of-independence-and-new.html\">another example of his vile idiocy<\/a>. George believes that anyone who disagrees with him is, by definition, a criminal. Because, you see, George has discovered the perfect proof of Christianity as the only valid religion, and so if you disagree with his religious babblings, you are an atheist. What&#8217;s more, according to George, because the Declaration of Independence mentions God,<br \/>\nthat means that it&#8217;s <em>illegal<\/em> to be an atheist &#8211; and that atheism should be a punishable crime. So ultimately, everyone who disagrees with George must be punished until they recant and accept his version<br \/>\nof Christianity. George is an inquisitor-in-waiting, dearly wishing for his opportunity to punish<br \/>\nall of us evil atheists.<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p> The Declaration and the Constitution do not authorize atheism. The USA has no law of any kind that authorizes the practice of atheism. Having doubts about God is thinking not a practice of atheism. All atheistic practices are illegal and must be punished. In my experiences with atheists, atheists generally show no interest in developing knowledge of God. If they did express interests in God they would find God and would not be atheists. But, a nation under God cannot beg citizens to be believers. Every family in a civil society has personal and social responsibilities. They are also responsible for developing knowledge needed by a godly nation. With respect to prayers, my research on God\/man communications shows that God and man do not talk together on a telephone but do exchange information. Thus, praying might be one way that man furnishes human information to a wise God.<\/p>\n<p> Because of the Supreme Court ruling in favor of atheism, O!Hair built the American Atheists to protect the civil rights of nonbelievers. However, the rights of an atheist are arbitrary and are not in accordance with the Declaration. It thus seems that the American Civil Liberty Union (ACLU) might be a criminal organization whose purpose is to destroy the new political experiment and our beautiful Lockean civil society.<\/p>\n<p> In a nation under God, it is not wrong to display on public land some samples of man&#8217;s progress in increasing his knowledge. Such samples can teach the youth of a nation about the continual needs for theological and scientific progress. If a nation displays military statues, political leaders, technical advances, etc. in a public park, it is also right to display theological advances such as the Ten Commandments.<\/p>\n<p>  A more recent violation of the Declaration might have occurred when a group of atheists conspired to stop the propagation of my book. This book is propagated in order to teach new knowledge about God, theology, and science. Some of them began to stop the propagation of my book only one month after it was published in June 2006. Their effort was also aimed at assassinating my character.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p> That &#8220;group of atheists&#8221;? That would be me, and the commenters on this blog. And our &#8220;conspiring to stop the propagation of his book&#8221;? That would be me pointing out the giant, gaping holes in his argument, and the amorality of his behaviour with respect to that book. (If, as he claims, his book contains the secrets to world peace, cures of terrible diseases, an end to suffering, and a new age of global prosperity, then refusing to show it to anyone unless they pony up the money to pay him for the book is a thoroughly evil thing to do.  If you have information that can save lives, and you withhold it in the name of personal profit, then by my moral standards, you&#8217;re an<br \/>\nevil person.)<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Now, it&#8217;s time for the final chapter in my &#8220;visits with old friends&#8221; series, which brings us back to the Good Math\/Bad Math all-time reader favorite crackpot: Mr. George Shollenberger. 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