{"id":729,"date":"2009-01-08T19:15:54","date_gmt":"2009-01-08T19:15:54","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/scientopia.org\/blogs\/goodmath\/2009\/01\/08\/circling-around-the-speed-of-light\/"},"modified":"2009-01-08T19:15:54","modified_gmt":"2009-01-08T19:15:54","slug":"circling-around-the-speed-of-light","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.goodmath.org\/blog\/2009\/01\/08\/circling-around-the-speed-of-light\/","title":{"rendered":"Circling Around The Speed of Light"},"content":{"rendered":"<p> One of the many great things about my readers is how you folks keep me up to date with any new crap that springs up, so that I don&#8217;t need to spend so much time hunting down the real good stuff. There&#8217;s a beautiful piece of crap on youtube that was pointed out to me by one of you guys. It&#8217;s really a wonderful bit of circularity.<\/p>\n<p> Circularity is something that I find beautiful in math. What I mean by circularity is that because numbers are closed, you can run around in circles playing games with that closure. Another post that I&#8217;ve got in progress is talking about RSA encryption, which is a beautiful example of circularity. You start with a message, encoded as a number, M. Then you take a particular set of three numbers, N, D, and E. If you raise M to the Dth power modulo N, you get a new number. M&#8217;. If you raise M&#8217; to the Eth power modulo N, you get the original M. You&#8217;re never taking roots &#8211; but the two exponentiations cancel each other out modulo N. It&#8217;s beautiful, and astonishing, and yet it makes perfect sense.<\/p>\n<p> That&#8217;s a complicated example of circularity. A simpler one, also involving modulo arithmetic, is to look at the tempered music scale. Let A=0, Bb=1, B=2, C=3, Db=4, D=5, Eb=6, E=7, F=8, Gb=9, G=10, Ab=11. Now, start at A, and follow through musical fifths &#8211; that is, go from A(0) to E(7). Then E(7) to E+7=14 mod 12 = 2 = B. Then B to Gb(9). Then Gb to Db(4). Then Db to Ab. Then Ab to Eb. Then Eb to Bb. Then Db to F. Then F to C. Then C to G. Then G to D. Then D to A. You&#8217;ve taken twelve steps of fifths, and wound up where you started. So by following through one of the natural musical elements of harmony, you&#8217;ve got a circle that visits each note exactly once. Looked at mathematically, it&#8217;s trivial. But it&#8217;s still pretty cool.<\/p>\n<p> It&#8217;s pretty easy to trick yourself with circularity of you&#8217;re not careful. You can find what appear to be amazing numerical coincidences, because you don&#8217;t realize that you&#8217;ve created a circle.<\/p>\n<p> The target of this posts isn&#8217;t an example of that. It&#8217;s a really trivial circle.<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p> This case is a fundie twit who wants to argue that the Bible predicts relativity. How does he do that? Well, he starts with a quote from the New Testament: &#8220;But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years is like a day&#8221;. <\/p>\n<p> Ok. So &#8211; he takes the time dilation equation from relativity. And he plugs stuff into it to see how fast you&#8217;d need to go to make time dilation make you move fast enough that a thousand years of non-dilated time is equivalent to one day of dilated time:<\/p>\n<p>&Delta;t = t<sub>0<\/sub>\/sqrt(1-v<sup>2<\/sup>\/c<sup>2<\/sup>) <br \/>\n1000 years = 1 day\/sqrt(1-v<sup>2<\/sup>\/299,792,458<sup>2<\/sup>)<br \/>\n365250 days &times; sqrt(1-v<sup>2<\/sup>\/299792458<sup>2<\/sup>)=1 day<br \/>\n&#8230;<br \/>\nv=299792457.99887640380956453724992.<\/p>\n<p> So after working through it like that (with, apparently, no clue of anything as unimportant as significant figures), he comes up with an answer of how fast you&#8217;d need to move to produce that amount of time dilation. And guess what? Miracle of miracles, wonder of wonders, creating a time dilation of approximately 365,000 to 1 requires moving <em>really, really close to the speed of light! <\/em><\/p>\n<p> Therefore the bible predicted time dilation and the speed of light. Seriously. From that conclusion, he concludes: &#8220;Q.E.D. The BIBLE gives SCIENTIFIC, MATHEMATICAL evidence for the SPEED OF LIGHT and GOD WHO is alpha and omega. (OUTSIDE TIME)&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p> Or, in his words, for the layman: &#8220;The answer is 299,792,457.99887640380956453724992 m\/s. The speed of light is exactly 299,792,458m\/s. It strange yields a resultant of 99.999999999625% of the speed of light. This is truly baffling.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p> It might be baffling if you&#8217;re a moron. It <em>should<\/em> be obvious what&#8217;s wrong here. But for the sake of entertainment and pedantry, I&#8217;ll spell it out.<\/p>\n<p> The speed of light <em>is a factor in that equation<\/em>. The whole rigamarole of the math is just going in circles. You&#8217;ve got a <em>huge<\/em> time dilation factor. You&#8217;ve got an equation that increases time dilation as you approach the speed of light. You calculate a speed <em>from the equation that depends on the speed of light<\/em>, in a way that amounts to taking the speed of light, squaring it, and then taking its square root. And poof! You get the number you started with. Wow! Shocker, huh? <\/p>\n<p> Remember &#8211; what he&#8217;s doing is asking at what speed will time dilation equal 365250:1. By plugging that into an equation, in which the speed of light is a factor. At what point will 1\/(1-v<sup>2<\/sup>c<sup>2<\/sup> equal 365250? When  v<sup>2<\/sup>=(365249\/365250)c<sup>2<\/sup>. In other words, when v equals roughly 0.999998&times;c.<\/p>\n<p> So&#8230; According to our moronic friend, it&#8217;s absolutely <em>baffling<\/em> that 0.999998&times;c = 0.999998&times;C. <\/p>\n<p> What if the speed of light wasn&#8217;t roughly 3&times;10<sup>8<\/sup> meters\/second. What if it was dramatically faster? Like, say, 5&times;10<sup>13<\/sup> meters\/second. What answer would his process wind up with? Something astonishingly close to 5&times;10<sup>13<\/sup>m\/s. In fact, roughly 4.999993&times;10<sup>15<\/sup>.<\/p>\n<p> It&#8217;s just a big circle.<\/p>\n<p> To add more cluelessness on top, he goes on: &#8220;We should take note of the strange accuracy of the verse. It could result to any random number, but what is truly baffling is that it register a resulting answer digit for digit accuracy of the speed of light except for the last digit before the decimal.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p> Yeah, bozo. When you go in circles, <em>you get right back where you started!<\/em>. It&#8217;s amazing! It&#8217;s astonishing! It&#8217;s a miracle! In fact, it&#8217;s so amazing that I think it&#8217;s time for you to sell all of your belongings, and use the money to open a church for all of the converts to flock to after they see the brilliance of this proof. You can make the altar <em>round<\/em>, and then amaze everyone by walking around the edge of it and showing how you <em>got right back where you started<em>!<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>One of the many great things about my readers is how you folks keep me up to date with any new crap that springs up, so that I don&#8217;t need to spend so much time hunting down the real good stuff. 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