{"id":825,"date":"2009-11-16T11:22:53","date_gmt":"2009-11-16T11:22:53","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/scientopia.org\/blogs\/goodmath\/2009\/11\/16\/dembski-stoops-even-lower-legal-threats-to-silence-a-critic\/"},"modified":"2009-11-16T11:22:53","modified_gmt":"2009-11-16T11:22:53","slug":"dembski-stoops-even-lower-legal-threats-to-silence-a-critic","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.goodmath.org\/blog\/2009\/11\/16\/dembski-stoops-even-lower-legal-threats-to-silence-a-critic\/","title":{"rendered":"Dembski Stoops Even Lower: Legal Threats to Silence a Critic"},"content":{"rendered":"<p> For those who have slightly better memory of recent events than an average<br \/>\ngerbil, you&#8217;ll surely remember that not too long ago, the Intelligent Design<br \/>\nfolks, with the help of Ben Stein, put together a whole movie about how<br \/>\nevilutionists are all a bunch of evil fascists, out to silence the poor,<br \/>\nhard-working IDers.<\/p>\n<p> You&#8217;ll also remember that Bill Dembski has been talking up the fact that<br \/>\nhe&#8217;s got two peer reviewed papers allegedly about intelligent design. So,<br \/>\nyou&#8217;d think that after complaining about being locked out of the debate,<br \/>\nnow that he has some actual papers to talk about, he&#8217;d be eager to, well,<br \/>\ntalk about them!<\/p>\n<p> Yeah, right. As it turns out, debate is the <em>last<\/em> thing that Bill<br \/>\nwants. When someone took a good look at one of his papers, and<br \/>\nposted a critique, Bill&#8217;s response was the threaten to sue them for<br \/>\ncopyright violation. Knowing how utterly trustworthy the Disco gang<br \/>\nis, I&#8217;ve got a screen-capture of the post with the threat below the fold, in<br \/>\ncase they try to change history by deleting it.<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<div><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/scientopia.org\/img-archive\/goodmath\/img_408.png?resize=625%2C501\" width=\"625\" height=\"501\" alt=\"dembski-capture.png\" \/><\/div>\n<p> The story in more detail: Deitmar Eben wrote <a href=\"http:\/\/rationalwiki.com\/wiki\/The_Search_for_a_Search_-_Measuring_the_Information_Cost_of_Higher_Level_Search\">an<br \/>\narticle at rationalwiki<\/a> which provides a thorough critique of Dembski and<br \/>\nMark&#8217;s paper &#8220;The Search for a Search &#8211; Measuring the Information Cost of<br \/>\nHigher Level Search&#8221;. It&#8217;s a pretty good refutation &#8211; Deitmar checked<br \/>\nD&amp;M&#8217;s references, and found that they didn&#8217;t say what D&amp;M said they<br \/>\ndid; he provides detailed mathematical critiques of various stages of their<br \/>\nargument; and he presents a complete counterexample to their proof. (Dietmar<br \/>\nis critiquing a later version of the one that I looked at <a href=\"http:\/\/scienceblogs.com\/goodmath\/2007\/09\/a_glance_at_the_work_of_dembsk.php\">here<\/a>.)<\/p>\n<p> What does a real, serious scholar do when he&#8217;s confronted with<br \/>\ncriticisms of his work? As someone who has all-too-frequently been<br \/>\nin that situation myself, I feel very qualified to explain the proper<br \/>\nresponse. (I&#8217;m pretty good at the informal writing style that I use<br \/>\nhere on the blog; I&#8217;m much less good at the very proper formal style<br \/>\nthat you use in technical papers. Combine that with my tendency to<br \/>\nbe interested in less trendy research areas like software configuration<br \/>\nmanagement, and I&#8217;ve gotten quite a lot of rejections, complete with<br \/>\ndetailed criticisms.)<\/p>\n<p> A real scientist, scholar, or researcher <em>welcomes<\/em> critism. That<br \/>\ndoesn&#8217;t mean that we&#8217;re <em>happy<\/em> to be criticized &#8211; we&#8217;re not. But<br \/>\ncriticism is a sign that the critic is <em>engaged<\/em>, <em>interested<\/em><br \/>\nin your work. And by listening, talking, and debating with him\/her, you can<br \/>\nfind problems in your work, refine your presentation, get new ideas,<br \/>\nand maybe convince them or be convinced by them. It&#8217;s <em>the<\/em> key<br \/>\nprocess of science. Peer reviewed publications aren&#8217;t the most important<br \/>\nthing: the <em>engagement<\/em> with other researchers is. The publications<br \/>\nget your work out there, where other interested people can see it. Then<br \/>\nthe good part starts &#8211; the part where you get feedback, both positive<br \/>\nand negative, from other people.<\/p>\n<p> But Bill Debski isn&#8217;t really a scholar or a researcher. He&#8217;s a polemicist.<br \/>\nHe&#8217;s not interested in doing research, or in learning, or in engaging in<br \/>\nactual discussions with other researchers. His papers aren&#8217;t written to share<br \/>\nhis work with fellow scholars. They&#8217;re written so that he can say &#8220;Nyah, Nyah,<br \/>\nI got a paper published&#8221;, and to use that the fool the rubes into thinking<br \/>\nthat Dembski&#8217;s work actually has some scientific credibility.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>For those who have slightly better memory of recent events than an average gerbil, you&#8217;ll surely remember that not too long ago, the Intelligent Design folks, with the help of Ben Stein, put together a whole movie about how evilutionists are all a bunch of evil fascists, out to silence the poor, hard-working IDers. 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