{"id":846,"date":"2010-02-24T14:00:44","date_gmt":"2010-02-24T14:00:44","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/scientopia.org\/blogs\/goodmath\/2010\/02\/24\/scumbag-animal-rights-villains-harass-children-for-fathers-speech\/"},"modified":"2010-02-24T14:00:44","modified_gmt":"2010-02-24T14:00:44","slug":"scumbag-animal-rights-villains-harass-children-for-fathers-speech","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.goodmath.org\/blog\/2010\/02\/24\/scumbag-animal-rights-villains-harass-children-for-fathers-speech\/","title":{"rendered":"Scumbag Animal Rights Villains Harass Children for Father&#039;s Speech"},"content":{"rendered":"<p> This post is off-topic for this blog, but there are some things that<br \/>\nI just can&#8217;t keep quiet about.<\/p>\n<p> Via my friend and fellow ScienceBlogger Janet over at <a href=\"http:\/\/scienceblogs.com\/ethicsandscience\/2010\/02\/time_to_get_mad_time_to_speak.php\">Adventures in<br \/>\nEthics and Science<\/a>, I&#8217;ve heard about some absolutely disgraceful<br \/>\nantics by an animal rights group. To be clear, in what follows, I&#8217;m <em>not<\/em> saying that all animal rights folks are scumbags: I&#8217;m pointing out that there&#8217;s a <em>specific group<\/em> of animal rights folks who are sickening monsters for what they&#8217;re doing.<\/p>\n<p> The background: There&#8217;s a neurobiologist named Dario Ringach. Professor<br \/>\nRingach <em>used to<\/em> do research using primates. Back in 2006, when he did<br \/>\nthat, animal rights targeted him, <em>and his children<\/em>. The did things<br \/>\nlike vandalize his house, put on masks and bang on his childrens windows, and<br \/>\nprotest at his children&#8217;s schools. Professor Ringach disappointingly but<br \/>\nunderstandably gave in, and abandoned his research in order to protect his<br \/>\nfamily.<\/p>\n<p> Fast forward a couple of years. Last week, Dr. Ringach, along with Janet and<br \/>\nseveral other people, participated in a public <em>dialogue<\/em> about animal<br \/>\nresearch at UCLA. Dr. Ringach spoke about why animal research is important. That&#8217;s<br \/>\n<em>all<\/em> that he did: present an explanation of why animal research is<br \/>\nimportant.<\/p>\n<p> For that, for being willing to participate in a discussion, for <em>saying<br \/>\nsomething the animals right people didn&#8217;t like<\/em>, the animal rights thugs<br \/>\nhave decided to protest. That&#8217;s bad enough: to stage disruptions against a<br \/>\nprofessor simply because he said something that you didn&#8217;t like. No, that&#8217;s<br \/>\nnot enough for these rat bastard assholes. They&#8217;re going to stage protests at<br \/>\n<em>his children&#8217;s school<\/em>. They&#8217;re going to harass his <em>children<\/em><br \/>\nto punish him for speaking when they want him to shut up.<\/p>\n<p> I don&#8217;t care what you think of animal rights. I don&#8217;t care what you think<br \/>\nabout any topic. Harassment isn&#8217;t an acceptable response to <em>speech<\/em>.<br \/>\nAnd no matter what, children should be off limits. Even if their father were<br \/>\neverything that the AR people claim that he is: if he really were a person who<br \/>\ntortured and murdered people for fun, going after his <em>children<\/em> would be<br \/>\na disgusting, disgraceful, <em>evil<\/em> thing to do. To do it just because<br \/>\nhe dared to <em>talk<\/em> about something they don&#8217;t like? These people deserve<br \/>\nto be publicly condemned, and criminally prosecuted. Threats and harassment<br \/>\nhave no place in public discourse. <\/p>\n<p> Personally, I&#8217;m a strong supporter of animal research. Of course it&#8217;s<br \/>\nimportant to minimize any pain and suffering that is inflicted on the animals<br \/>\nused in research &#8211; but people who do the research, and the organizations that<br \/>\noversee them, are extremely careful about ensuring that. And animal research<br \/>\nshouldn&#8217;t be done for trivial purposes: the work must be important enough to<br \/>\njustify subjecting living creatures to it. But the results are worth the cost.<br \/>\nI can say for certain that <em>I<\/em> wouldn&#8217;t be alive today without the<br \/>\nresults of animal research: I had life-saving surgery using a technique that<br \/>\nwas developed using animals. I rely on medications that were originally<br \/>\ndeveloped using animal models. My mother is alive today because of animal<br \/>\nresearch: she&#8217;s diabetic, and relies on both insulin and medications which<br \/>\nwere developed using animal research. My father survived cancer for 15 years<br \/>\nbecause of animal research: his cancer was treated using a radiation therapy<br \/>\ntechnique that was generated using animal research. My sister isn&#8217;t a cripple<br \/>\ntoday, because of animal research. She had severe scoliosis which would have<br \/>\ncrippled her, but which was corrected using a surgical technique developed<br \/>\nusing animals. My wife would be terribly ill without animal research: she&#8217;s<br \/>\ngot an autoimmune disorder that damages the thyroid; people with it need to<br \/>\ntake thyroid hormone replacements, developed &#8211; all together now &#8211; using animal<br \/>\nresearch. I could easily go on: there&#8217;s probably barely a person alive today<br \/>\nwho hasn&#8217;t benefited dramatically from animal research. It&#8217;s an essential<br \/>\ntool of science.<\/p>\n<p> While I&#8217;m ranting: one of the common responses from the animal rights<br \/>\npeople is that we don&#8217;t need animals for experimentation: we can use computer<br \/>\nsimulation, which will (supposedly) be more accurate, because we can use human<br \/>\nbiology in the simulation, whereas animals used as models are often<br \/>\nsignificantly different from humans, so that the results of tests on animals<br \/>\ndon&#8217;t translate well to humans.<\/p>\n<p> Everyone must, by now, have heard of the programmers mantra: GIGO: garbage<br \/>\nin, garbage out. A simulation is only as good as the knowledge of the person<br \/>\nwho wrote it. You can only simulate what you <em>understand<\/em>. The problem<br \/>\nwith computer models for medical tests is that most of the time, <em>we don&#8217;t<br \/>\nknow<\/em> how things work. The research is being done on animals precisely<br \/>\nbecause we don&#8217;t know enough about it to simulate it. For one simple example,<br \/>\nconsider cancer. There&#8217;s a lot of animal research done where we basically<br \/>\ndeliberately give cancer to an animal. We can&#8217;t simulate that, because the way<br \/>\nthat cancers grow and spread is still a mystery. We don&#8217;t understand exactly<br \/>\nwhat triggers a cancer; we don&#8217;t completely understand the biological<br \/>\nprocesses going on in cancer cells, or exactly what the difference between a<br \/>\ncancer cell and a normal cell <em>is<\/em>. We can&#8217;t simulate that. Or, rather,<br \/>\nwe can, but only as an experiment with a real-world counterpart to verify it.<\/p>\n<p> In any case, getting back to the original point: it really doesn&#8217;t matter<br \/>\nwhether you agree with animal research or not. The important point here is<br \/>\nthat using intimidation, threats, and harassment the way these AR groups are<br \/>\ndoing is absolutely, unequivocably <em>wrong<\/em>. And to extend it from the<br \/>\nscientist to his <em>children<\/em> is beyond wrong. It&#8217;s downright evil. And<br \/>\nto harass both the scientist and his children not for <em>doing<\/em> the<br \/>\nresearch that they object to, but for <em>talking about<\/em> why that research<br \/>\nis important? I simply do not have the words to express how repugnant it is.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>This post is off-topic for this blog, but there are some things that I just can&#8217;t keep quiet about. Via my friend and fellow ScienceBlogger Janet over at Adventures in Ethics and Science, I&#8217;ve heard about some absolutely disgraceful antics by an animal rights group. 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