{"id":99,"date":"2006-08-03T17:02:04","date_gmt":"2006-08-03T17:02:04","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/scientopia.org\/blogs\/goodmath\/2006\/08\/03\/causeless-math-from-dembski-and-friend\/"},"modified":"2006-08-03T17:02:04","modified_gmt":"2006-08-03T17:02:04","slug":"causeless-math-from-dembski-and-friend","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.goodmath.org\/blog\/2006\/08\/03\/causeless-math-from-dembski-and-friend\/","title":{"rendered":"Causeless Math from Dembski and Friend"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Over at his blog, William Dembski, my least-favorite pathetic excuse for a mathematician, [has cited an article][dembski] written by one John Davison about the theory of evolution. According to Dembski, this article explains &#8220;why the naked emperor still lingers&#8221;; that is, why the theory of evolution is still around even though it&#8217;s so obviously wrong. (Update: I originally typed &#8220;Paul Davison&#8221; instead of &#8220;John Davison&#8221;, I don&#8217;t know why. Any &#8220;Paul Davison&#8221;s out there, sorry for associating your name with this dreck. Additionally, the article is posted on Dembski&#8217;s blog, but it wasn&#8217;t posted by Dembski himself; it was posted by one of the site moderators &#8220;Scott&#8221;.)<br \/>\nIt&#8217;s easy to see why Dembski likes this article. I&#8217;ve always found Dembski&#8217;s writing to be obnoxiously pretentious; this guy writes in that same snotty faux-intellectual style. Here&#8217;s a taste from the beginning of Davison&#8217;s article.<br \/>\n&gt;Darwinism has persisted because it failed to recognize the nature of first<br \/>\n&gt;causes. It is only natural to assume that results had causes and it is the duty<br \/>\n&gt;of the scientist to find and reveal those causes. At this science has been<br \/>\n&gt;incredibly successful. Many examples are presented in medical science with the<br \/>\n&gt;discovery of the causes, treatments and cures for hundreds of diseases. All of<br \/>\n&gt;Chemistry has been revealed from the consideration of how atomic forces have<br \/>\n&gt;caused molecules to have the structure and properties that they have. This is<br \/>\n&gt;analytical science and it is great science.<br \/>\n&gt;<br \/>\n&gt;I like titles presented as questions because that is what science is really<br \/>\n&gt;supposed to be all about &#8211; answering questions. One cannot answer a question<br \/>\n&gt;until it has been posed.<br \/>\n&gt;<br \/>\n&gt;I have used this technique in the past with &#8220;Is evolution finished&#8221; and most<br \/>\n&gt;recently, also in the current issue of Rivista di Biologia, &#8220;Do we have an<br \/>\n&gt;evolutionary theory?&#8221;<br \/>\n&gt;<br \/>\n&gt;You will note that I choose my words carefully. I do not question that it has<br \/>\n&gt;persisted because that is self-evident, but rather how has that been possible?<br \/>\n&gt;<br \/>\n&gt;I have the answer and here it is in abbreviated form.<br \/>\nSee what I mean?  This section also already starts to hint at what&#8217;s wrong; but what really set me off, and let me to write about it here, on a math blog, is what comes next:<br \/>\n&gt;Darwinism has persisted because it failed to recognize the nature of first<br \/>\n&gt;causes. It is only natural to assume that results had causes and it the duty of<br \/>\n&gt;the scientist to find and reveal those causes. At this science has been<br \/>\n&gt;incredibly successful. Many examples are presented in medical science with the<br \/>\n&gt;discovery of the causes, treatments and cures for hundreds of diseases. All of<br \/>\n&gt;Chemistry has been revealed from the consideration of how atomic forces have<br \/>\n&gt;caused molecules to have the structure and properties that they have. This is<br \/>\n&gt;analytical science and it is great science.<br \/>\n&gt;<br \/>\n&gt;But does this approach have limits beyond which it cannot DIRECTLY proceed?<br \/>\n&gt;This is another very critical question and I will answer it with a resounding<br \/>\n&gt;yes.<br \/>\n&gt;<br \/>\n&gt;Those limits are met when we attempt to identify the causes of the tools with<br \/>\n&gt;which we proceed. I will use mathematics as an example. Mathematics has<br \/>\n&gt;rightfully been described as &#8220;The Queen of the Sciences.&#8221; Without math there<br \/>\n&gt;could be no science, at least a science as we know it.<br \/>\nYeah, he&#8217;s going to invoke mathematics as his argument. And of course, it&#8217;s going to be *bad*. **Really** bad. Stupid bad.<br \/>\n&gt;So here comes the moment of truth as it were. What is the cause of mathematics?<br \/>\n&gt;More accurately we should ask &#8211; what WAS the cause of mathematics because it<br \/>\n&gt;has always been there just waiting to be discovered. That discovery began with<br \/>\n&gt;the Pythagoreans and continues to this day.<br \/>\n&gt;<br \/>\n&gt;Mathematics has no discernable cause does it? Now what does this all have to do<br \/>\n&gt;with evolution? It has everything to do with evolution because both ontogeny<br \/>\n&gt;and phylogeny, like mathematics have no discernable cause.<br \/>\nYes, the root of his argument is that mathematics has *no cause*. And evolution, like mathematics, also has no discernable cause.<br \/>\nWhat the hell does this *mean*? Well, to be frank, absolutely bloody nothing. This is what is crudely known as &#8220;talking out your ass&#8221;.<br \/>\n&gt;And so we come to the answer to the question posed in my title.<br \/>\n&gt;<br \/>\n&gt;Darwinism has persisted because it assumes a detectable, discernable cause, a<br \/>\n&gt;cause which never existed. It even claims to tell us all about this<br \/>\n&gt;non-existent cause. The cause is random changes in genes (mutations) coupled<br \/>\n&gt;with nature acting to select which of these should survive. These two<br \/>\n&gt;processes, genetic variation and selection, have been the sole means by which<br \/>\n&gt;organisms have evolved.<br \/>\nYeah, y&#8217;see, evolution has *no cause*, just like mathematics. But the theory of evolution has hung around not because it actually explains anything; not because it has evidence to support it; not because it matches the facts; it&#8217;s because it creates an *illusion* of a cause.<br \/>\n&gt;Now what is the actual tangible evidence to support this model? That is another<br \/>\n&gt;very good question by the way. That is what science is all about, asking<br \/>\n&gt;questions and then trying to answer them. In this case the answers that emerge<br \/>\n&gt;are very clear.<br \/>\nThat&#8217;s a very good question indeed. Shame he doesn&#8217;t bother to answer it.<br \/>\n&gt;Natural selection first of all is very real. Its effect is to prevent change<br \/>\n&gt;rather than to promote it. This was first recognized by Mivart and then<br \/>\n&gt;subsequently and independently by Reginald C. Punnett and then Leo Berg.<br \/>\nYeah, y&#8217;see there were these two guys, and like we were talking? and they said that natural solution prevents change, and they were, like, really convincing.<br \/>\nThat&#8217;s his &#8220;tangible evidence&#8221; for the argument that evolution as a theory has persisted because it creates an illusion of cause where there is none.<br \/>\n&gt;So you see there are really two reasons that Darwinism has persisted.<br \/>\n&gt;<br \/>\n&gt;The first I have already presented. It assumes a cause which never existed. The<br \/>\n&gt;second reason it has persisted is because it has also assumed that no one ever<br \/>\n&gt;existed who questioned the cause which never existed.<br \/>\nAnd yet again, random bullshit comes out of nowhere. Evolution has persisted because it denies the existence of people who question it.<br \/>\n&gt;Like mathematics, both ontogeny and phylogeny never had exogenous causes. Both<br \/>\n&gt;are manifestations of the expression of preformed pre-existent blocks of highly<br \/>\n&gt;specific information which has been released over the millennia as part of a<br \/>\n&gt;self-limiting process known as organic evolution, a phenomenon, my opinion, no<br \/>\n&gt;longer in progress.<br \/>\nAnd again, we come back to that horrible comparison to math. Math, according to Davison is &#8220;causeless&#8221;; it consists of a set of facts that exist independently of any cause. Likewise, he claims that evolution is &#8220;causeless&#8221;; it&#8217;s nothing but the expression of a set of genetic information that has been coded into life from the very beginning. Evidence? He&#8217;s so smart, he doesn&#8217;t need any stinking evidence! Evidence is for stuff that has a cause!<br \/>\n&gt;Everything we are now learning supports this interpretation which I have<br \/>\n&gt;presented in summary form in my recent paper &#8211; &#8220;A Prescribed Evolutionary<br \/>\n&gt;Hypothesis.&#8221;<br \/>\nEverything we&#8217;re learning supports this. Of course, he doesn&#8217;t mention *any* of it; not one fact, not one scrap of evidence; not anything about all of the genomes we&#8217;ve mapped out; not the name of one biologist who&#8217;s done work supporting this, not one paper that talks about this evidence. Nothing.<br \/>\n*This* is what Dembski thinks of as a *good* article arguing in favor of ID.<br \/>\n[dembski]: http:\/\/www.uncommondescent.com\/index.php\/archives\/1353<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Over at his blog, William Dembski, my least-favorite pathetic excuse for a mathematician, [has cited an article][dembski] written by one John Davison about the theory of evolution. According to Dembski, this article explains &#8220;why the naked emperor still lingers&#8221;; that is, why the theory of evolution is still around even though it&#8217;s so obviously wrong. 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